1 00:00:13,490 --> 00:00:10,690 [Music] 2 00:00:15,169 --> 00:00:13,500 all right Hi I'm Evelyn I'm a PhD 3 00:00:16,369 --> 00:00:15,179 candidate at the University of Toronto 4 00:00:17,930 --> 00:00:16,379 and I'd like to talk about some 5 00:00:20,450 --> 00:00:17,940 simulation work that I've been doing 6 00:00:21,710 --> 00:00:20,460 with my collaborators they're funded by 7 00:00:25,250 --> 00:00:21,720 answer 8 00:00:27,550 --> 00:00:25,260 so I work on Emirates which for the 9 00:00:30,830 --> 00:00:27,560 purposes of this talk I'm defining as 10 00:00:33,590 --> 00:00:30,840 roughly earth-sized rocky planets in the 11 00:00:36,110 --> 00:00:33,600 habitable zone of an M dwarf star and so 12 00:00:37,370 --> 00:00:36,120 because because the star is small the 13 00:00:39,590 --> 00:00:37,380 planet is close to the Stars so we 14 00:00:42,709 --> 00:00:39,600 assume it's totally locked 15 00:00:45,049 --> 00:00:42,719 um so this this diagram over here just 16 00:00:48,590 --> 00:00:45,059 kind of shows what that looks like 17 00:00:50,450 --> 00:00:48,600 so we have the Stars somewhere over here 18 00:00:52,430 --> 00:00:50,460 um light from the Star hitting the 19 00:00:53,569 --> 00:00:52,440 planet at the substellar point which is 20 00:00:54,889 --> 00:00:53,579 always at the same place because the 21 00:00:58,130 --> 00:00:54,899 planet has a permanent day and night 22 00:00:59,750 --> 00:00:58,140 side and the Terminator is kind of a 23 00:01:01,610 --> 00:00:59,760 cool word for the dividing line between 24 00:01:03,410 --> 00:01:01,620 the day side and the night side so just 25 00:01:04,969 --> 00:01:03,420 kind of keep that in mind I'll be using 26 00:01:06,890 --> 00:01:04,979 some of these terms 27 00:01:08,630 --> 00:01:06,900 now the base assumption is that these 28 00:01:13,130 --> 00:01:08,640 planets have what we call an eyeball 29 00:01:14,210 --> 00:01:13,140 climate so again we have the star here 30 00:01:17,090 --> 00:01:14,220 um the assumption is that the night side 31 00:01:19,310 --> 00:01:17,100 is frozen and part of the day side is 32 00:01:21,170 --> 00:01:19,320 unfrozen near the sub Stellar point 33 00:01:22,850 --> 00:01:21,180 where it receives the most radiation and 34 00:01:25,190 --> 00:01:22,860 you would assume that's a circle this is 35 00:01:28,310 --> 00:01:25,200 actually an oversimplification but it's 36 00:01:29,690 --> 00:01:28,320 kind of a good starting point 37 00:01:32,149 --> 00:01:29,700 so 38 00:01:33,770 --> 00:01:32,159 I have a few questions that I'd like to 39 00:01:35,569 --> 00:01:33,780 be trying to answer today 40 00:01:38,210 --> 00:01:35,579 first of all how does land configuration 41 00:01:39,410 --> 00:01:38,220 affect Emirates climates how does the 42 00:01:42,170 --> 00:01:39,420 mass of the atmosphere affect their 43 00:01:44,510 --> 00:01:42,180 climates I'll be answering those using a 44 00:01:48,289 --> 00:01:44,520 3D GCM General circulation model called 45 00:01:49,670 --> 00:01:48,299 exoplasm and then the next part is can 46 00:01:51,830 --> 00:01:49,680 we tell these climates apart and 47 00:01:54,649 --> 00:01:51,840 observations I'll be using a radiative 48 00:01:58,429 --> 00:01:54,659 transfer model based on my exoplasm 49 00:02:02,929 --> 00:02:00,950 so to start I like to talk about land 50 00:02:05,270 --> 00:02:02,939 configuration 51 00:02:07,429 --> 00:02:05,280 and so if the recall the eyeball climate 52 00:02:10,850 --> 00:02:07,439 we kind of have a cartoon of this here 53 00:02:13,910 --> 00:02:10,860 the idea is what happens if we put land 54 00:02:16,010 --> 00:02:13,920 in that warm deglaciated region because 55 00:02:17,150 --> 00:02:16,020 that's the region that's probably the 56 00:02:19,910 --> 00:02:17,160 most interesting 57 00:02:20,630 --> 00:02:19,920 but what's going on in the surface there 58 00:02:26,330 --> 00:02:20,640 um 59 00:02:27,170 --> 00:02:26,340 so I've done this in a systematic way 60 00:02:29,150 --> 00:02:27,180 um 61 00:02:31,970 --> 00:02:29,160 as I'm showing over here 62 00:02:34,430 --> 00:02:31,980 basically we have two opposite content 63 00:02:36,110 --> 00:02:34,440 configurations where either all of the 64 00:02:37,910 --> 00:02:36,120 land is in a circle at the substellar 65 00:02:40,790 --> 00:02:37,920 point so that's the substellar continent 66 00:02:44,210 --> 00:02:40,800 over here with ocean everywhere else and 67 00:02:46,610 --> 00:02:44,220 if if the ocean is cold there's ice 68 00:02:49,009 --> 00:02:46,620 instead of open water and then the 69 00:02:51,050 --> 00:02:49,019 opposite substellar ocean putting land 70 00:02:53,869 --> 00:02:51,060 everywhere except for a circle at the 71 00:02:54,530 --> 00:02:53,879 substellar point where there's water 72 00:02:56,570 --> 00:02:54,540 um 73 00:02:58,910 --> 00:02:56,580 and we vary the size of the circle in 74 00:03:01,910 --> 00:02:58,920 all of these simulations going from zero 75 00:03:03,830 --> 00:03:01,920 to a hundred percent so 76 00:03:06,170 --> 00:03:03,840 here you can see that sometimes there's 77 00:03:07,610 --> 00:03:06,180 ice-free ocean and sometimes there's not 78 00:03:12,170 --> 00:03:07,620 and these ones there's always some ice 79 00:03:17,449 --> 00:03:14,030 so now what what happens to the climate 80 00:03:19,490 --> 00:03:17,459 when we run the climate model with these 81 00:03:22,369 --> 00:03:19,500 there's a lot going on here so let's 82 00:03:23,809 --> 00:03:22,379 let's just take it slowly on the on the 83 00:03:27,649 --> 00:03:23,819 left here we have substellar continent 84 00:03:30,850 --> 00:03:27,659 models with different land fractions 85 00:03:32,869 --> 00:03:30,860 so this First Column is the land map 86 00:03:34,369 --> 00:03:32,879 just looking straight down at the center 87 00:03:35,750 --> 00:03:34,379 of the day side with the night side not 88 00:03:36,470 --> 00:03:35,760 shown 89 00:03:40,789 --> 00:03:36,480 um 90 00:03:43,309 --> 00:03:40,799 precipitation and evaporation so red is 91 00:03:46,070 --> 00:03:43,319 evaporation blue is precipitation you'll 92 00:03:47,690 --> 00:03:46,080 notice it always rains at the substellar 93 00:03:49,729 --> 00:03:47,700 point and water evaporates from the 94 00:03:52,009 --> 00:03:49,739 ocean everywhere else on the day side 95 00:03:54,229 --> 00:03:52,019 and this is true for these ones these 96 00:03:56,330 --> 00:03:54,239 substellar Ocean Models as well you get 97 00:03:57,850 --> 00:03:56,340 clouds and precipitation in the middle 98 00:04:00,350 --> 00:03:57,860 of the day side and over ocean 99 00:04:03,890 --> 00:04:00,360 regardless of where the land is 100 00:04:06,170 --> 00:04:03,900 so the water comes toward the center of 101 00:04:08,570 --> 00:04:06,180 the planet where it's warmest Rises it 102 00:04:10,850 --> 00:04:08,580 condenses out and you get rain 103 00:04:16,009 --> 00:04:10,860 so 104 00:04:18,469 --> 00:04:16,019 temperatures depending on how much land 105 00:04:20,750 --> 00:04:18,479 there is with high land fraction planets 106 00:04:22,490 --> 00:04:20,760 having hot and dry day sides which is 107 00:04:23,749 --> 00:04:22,500 what's shown in this column here so 108 00:04:25,610 --> 00:04:23,759 these are some pretty significant 109 00:04:27,590 --> 00:04:25,620 climate differences 110 00:04:30,409 --> 00:04:27,600 um 111 00:04:32,810 --> 00:04:30,419 like on a spatially resolved level this 112 00:04:35,030 --> 00:04:32,820 is what this looks like globally on the 113 00:04:38,350 --> 00:04:35,040 x-axis we have dayside land fraction so 114 00:04:40,790 --> 00:04:38,360 the size of of the circle for these two 115 00:04:42,710 --> 00:04:40,800 landmap types and on the y-axis we have 116 00:04:44,270 --> 00:04:42,720 temperature on the left and water vapor 117 00:04:46,189 --> 00:04:44,280 on the right 118 00:04:47,749 --> 00:04:46,199 um you'll notice that there's the 119 00:04:51,170 --> 00:04:47,759 largest discrepancy between the two 120 00:04:53,990 --> 00:04:51,180 partial dayside land cover so 121 00:04:55,670 --> 00:04:54,000 when it when it's not an aquaplanet or a 122 00:04:57,590 --> 00:04:55,680 land Planet somewhere in between it 123 00:04:59,749 --> 00:04:57,600 really matters a lot where the land is 124 00:05:01,550 --> 00:04:59,759 because that influences the amount of 125 00:05:03,050 --> 00:05:01,560 ice-free ocean that's available on the 126 00:05:04,909 --> 00:05:03,060 planet for evaporation and putting 127 00:05:07,129 --> 00:05:04,919 moisture into the atmosphere and these 128 00:05:08,330 --> 00:05:07,139 curves kind of follow each other 129 00:05:10,310 --> 00:05:08,340 so 130 00:05:13,129 --> 00:05:10,320 this is already a climate uncertainty 131 00:05:14,629 --> 00:05:13,139 that we need to kind of think about 132 00:05:16,550 --> 00:05:14,639 um 133 00:05:19,010 --> 00:05:16,560 now let's make it more complicated by 134 00:05:20,210 --> 00:05:19,020 changing another parameter the mass of 135 00:05:22,070 --> 00:05:20,220 the atmosphere so like land 136 00:05:23,510 --> 00:05:22,080 configuration that's not necessarily 137 00:05:24,469 --> 00:05:23,520 something we can know about a planet in 138 00:05:27,770 --> 00:05:24,479 advance 139 00:05:29,270 --> 00:05:27,780 so I varied it in my simulations the 140 00:05:31,070 --> 00:05:29,280 idea is 141 00:05:32,330 --> 00:05:31,080 basically make the atmosphere thicker or 142 00:05:33,290 --> 00:05:32,340 smaller that's what I've tried to show 143 00:05:35,029 --> 00:05:33,300 over here 144 00:05:37,909 --> 00:05:35,039 and 145 00:05:40,070 --> 00:05:37,919 these are the same curves that were on 146 00:05:44,330 --> 00:05:40,080 the previous slide but this time 147 00:05:46,930 --> 00:05:44,340 for a range of pressures so increasing 148 00:05:49,490 --> 00:05:46,940 the amount of N2 in the atmosphere 149 00:05:51,350 --> 00:05:49,500 and again you get 150 00:05:53,150 --> 00:05:51,360 the same land fraction and land 151 00:05:55,430 --> 00:05:53,160 configuration dependence 152 00:05:57,290 --> 00:05:55,440 but in addition to that the curves are 153 00:06:00,350 --> 00:05:57,300 shifted up or down depending on the 154 00:06:01,909 --> 00:06:00,360 pressure so they overlap it's very 155 00:06:03,590 --> 00:06:01,919 confusing 156 00:06:05,150 --> 00:06:03,600 um we 157 00:06:06,950 --> 00:06:05,160 like there's clearly some climate 158 00:06:10,249 --> 00:06:06,960 effects here that need to be paid 159 00:06:12,290 --> 00:06:10,259 attention to and so then the next thing 160 00:06:13,790 --> 00:06:12,300 we want to know is can we ever know this 161 00:06:15,469 --> 00:06:13,800 stuff can we tell these apart in 162 00:06:17,629 --> 00:06:15,479 observations 163 00:06:20,090 --> 00:06:17,639 so the way these planets will be 164 00:06:23,749 --> 00:06:20,100 observed is with Transit spectroscopy 165 00:06:26,150 --> 00:06:23,759 which is what jwst will do 166 00:06:27,650 --> 00:06:26,160 um I have a kind of image of what that 167 00:06:29,689 --> 00:06:27,660 looks like basically when the planet 168 00:06:31,730 --> 00:06:29,699 passes between the Observer and the star 169 00:06:34,490 --> 00:06:31,740 it blocks out some of the Stars light 170 00:06:36,230 --> 00:06:34,500 which is measurable and there's a 171 00:06:38,090 --> 00:06:36,240 wavelength dependent contribution to the 172 00:06:40,129 --> 00:06:38,100 amount of light blocked depending on the 173 00:06:41,870 --> 00:06:40,139 molecules in the atmosphere and where 174 00:06:44,809 --> 00:06:41,880 they scatter and absorb 175 00:06:46,550 --> 00:06:44,819 So based on what wavelengths block the 176 00:06:48,290 --> 00:06:46,560 most light we can tell what's in the 177 00:06:50,450 --> 00:06:48,300 atmosphere this is really hard to do for 178 00:06:51,890 --> 00:06:50,460 small planets but this is like the 179 00:06:53,090 --> 00:06:51,900 theory of it 180 00:06:54,770 --> 00:06:53,100 so 181 00:06:57,050 --> 00:06:54,780 the question then because most of the 182 00:06:58,670 --> 00:06:57,060 water if you'll recall was at the sub 183 00:07:01,189 --> 00:06:58,680 Stellar point is how much water is 184 00:07:02,809 --> 00:07:01,199 making it to the Terminator because the 185 00:07:04,550 --> 00:07:02,819 Terminator 186 00:07:07,070 --> 00:07:04,560 um sorry 187 00:07:08,450 --> 00:07:07,080 the the Terminator is where 188 00:07:09,770 --> 00:07:08,460 like we're getting actually the photons 189 00:07:11,090 --> 00:07:09,780 from we can't directly image the 190 00:07:15,710 --> 00:07:11,100 substellar point so we're getting the 191 00:07:20,749 --> 00:07:19,070 so I have some profiles here of specific 192 00:07:22,850 --> 00:07:20,759 humidity for the two different types of 193 00:07:24,050 --> 00:07:22,860 land map this is just all at the same 194 00:07:28,730 --> 00:07:24,060 pressure 195 00:07:31,610 --> 00:07:28,740 upward in the atmosphere on the y-axis 196 00:07:34,129 --> 00:07:31,620 and specific humidity on the x-axis 197 00:07:36,350 --> 00:07:34,139 for near the substellar point and near 198 00:07:38,510 --> 00:07:36,360 the Terminator so looking 199 00:07:41,089 --> 00:07:38,520 her relationship between 200 00:07:43,670 --> 00:07:41,099 the amount of water in the Rainy Zone 201 00:07:45,710 --> 00:07:43,680 and the amount of water we can see 202 00:07:47,089 --> 00:07:45,720 um subcellular Ocean Models 203 00:07:48,770 --> 00:07:47,099 all look pretty much the same which 204 00:07:50,809 --> 00:07:48,780 makes sense there's water there 205 00:07:52,969 --> 00:07:50,819 there's a bit less of the Terminator but 206 00:07:54,409 --> 00:07:52,979 it's still there for the substellar 207 00:07:57,050 --> 00:07:54,419 continent models the ones with a lot of 208 00:07:58,790 --> 00:07:57,060 land have much less water at the 209 00:08:01,370 --> 00:07:58,800 Terminator but still some 210 00:08:03,290 --> 00:08:01,380 so maybe we can tell the difference 211 00:08:05,990 --> 00:08:03,300 so now I've I'd like to show some 212 00:08:09,350 --> 00:08:06,000 synthetic Transit Spectra I've made 213 00:08:11,809 --> 00:08:09,360 using only water so I've ignored all 214 00:08:14,510 --> 00:08:11,819 other possible things that could 215 00:08:17,210 --> 00:08:14,520 contribute to this so on the x-axis we 216 00:08:19,850 --> 00:08:17,220 have wavelength that the instrument is 217 00:08:22,550 --> 00:08:19,860 observing at and on the y-axis we have 218 00:08:25,550 --> 00:08:22,560 what I've defined as amplitude so 219 00:08:27,890 --> 00:08:25,560 basically the difference between the 220 00:08:30,770 --> 00:08:27,900 transit depth that you get so the amount 221 00:08:33,110 --> 00:08:30,780 of light block from the star and the 222 00:08:35,810 --> 00:08:33,120 minimum amount so either the amount just 223 00:08:38,690 --> 00:08:35,820 by the rocky planet itself or the lowest 224 00:08:40,130 --> 00:08:38,700 cloud deck or the lowest part that that 225 00:08:41,930 --> 00:08:40,140 would be visible 226 00:08:43,969 --> 00:08:41,940 because it's really this difference that 227 00:08:46,190 --> 00:08:43,979 we're looking to measure more so than 228 00:08:48,410 --> 00:08:46,200 the actual size of the planet itself so 229 00:08:51,710 --> 00:08:48,420 these are just for a few selected 230 00:08:54,949 --> 00:08:51,720 simulations from my parameter space 231 00:08:57,050 --> 00:08:54,959 and so varying only the land and the 232 00:08:59,570 --> 00:08:57,060 pressure we get quite a sizable 233 00:09:00,470 --> 00:08:59,580 difference in these water vapor spectral 234 00:09:01,790 --> 00:09:00,480 features 235 00:09:03,889 --> 00:09:01,800 so these could 236 00:09:06,889 --> 00:09:03,899 these are kind of a range of what a 237 00:09:08,750 --> 00:09:06,899 specific Planet might produce 238 00:09:10,910 --> 00:09:08,760 um then on the bottom we have the Cloudy 239 00:09:12,410 --> 00:09:10,920 version so these same ones but with 240 00:09:14,810 --> 00:09:12,420 clouds included in the radiative 241 00:09:16,670 --> 00:09:14,820 transfer and 242 00:09:18,769 --> 00:09:16,680 you'll notice that the features are 243 00:09:21,610 --> 00:09:18,779 smaller but also they're not all 244 00:09:24,410 --> 00:09:21,620 affected the same way depending on 245 00:09:27,170 --> 00:09:24,420 where like how many how many clouds are 246 00:09:29,750 --> 00:09:27,180 at the Terminator which varies depending 247 00:09:31,550 --> 00:09:29,760 on different factors so it's a bit 248 00:09:34,190 --> 00:09:31,560 confusing 249 00:09:39,110 --> 00:09:36,530 I'd like to just focus on on this 250 00:09:41,810 --> 00:09:39,120 feature though so 251 00:09:47,150 --> 00:09:41,820 I'd like to show like basically the top 252 00:09:49,190 --> 00:09:47,160 of this feature for a variety of models 253 00:09:51,110 --> 00:09:49,200 and that's what this looks like on the 254 00:09:54,290 --> 00:09:51,120 left we have the cloud free version on 255 00:09:55,250 --> 00:09:54,300 the right we have with clouds included 256 00:09:57,230 --> 00:09:55,260 um 257 00:09:58,970 --> 00:09:57,240 again these curves kind of follow the 258 00:10:01,009 --> 00:09:58,980 same shape as the temperature and water 259 00:10:02,509 --> 00:10:01,019 vapor from a few slides ago 260 00:10:06,250 --> 00:10:02,519 but 261 00:10:09,829 --> 00:10:06,260 when you add clouds it gets a lot worse 262 00:10:11,449 --> 00:10:09,839 unfortunately basically 263 00:10:13,790 --> 00:10:11,459 there's there's like some correlations 264 00:10:16,910 --> 00:10:13,800 in a cloud-free version these high 265 00:10:18,769 --> 00:10:16,920 pressure low land models have much 266 00:10:20,990 --> 00:10:18,779 taller spectral features so you might be 267 00:10:22,370 --> 00:10:21,000 able to detect that or tell the 268 00:10:24,769 --> 00:10:22,380 difference but then when we add clouds 269 00:10:26,630 --> 00:10:24,779 what happens is that these Waters these 270 00:10:29,870 --> 00:10:26,640 models with the most water vapor are 271 00:10:31,670 --> 00:10:29,880 also the cloudiest of the Terminator and 272 00:10:34,610 --> 00:10:31,680 consequently 273 00:10:37,730 --> 00:10:34,620 theme like the effect of clouds on a 274 00:10:40,070 --> 00:10:37,740 spectrum is much higher so 275 00:10:42,230 --> 00:10:40,080 like that it gets like artificially 276 00:10:45,170 --> 00:10:42,240 subdued so it looks like these dry 277 00:10:47,030 --> 00:10:45,180 models over here have the most water but 278 00:10:48,710 --> 00:10:47,040 that's not actually true 279 00:10:49,970 --> 00:10:48,720 so observing this 280 00:10:51,470 --> 00:10:49,980 it's going to be very hard to tell 281 00:10:52,910 --> 00:10:51,480 what's going on on the surface of the 282 00:10:54,769 --> 00:10:52,920 planet 283 00:10:56,690 --> 00:10:54,779 um 284 00:10:59,329 --> 00:10:56,700 just 285 00:11:01,130 --> 00:10:59,339 try to end on a happy note 286 00:11:03,769 --> 00:11:01,140 um there's a huge range of climates here 287 00:11:05,630 --> 00:11:03,779 we can't necessarily tell them apart but 288 00:11:07,790 --> 00:11:05,640 a lot of them could be habitable and we 289 00:11:08,810 --> 00:11:07,800 might be able to detect water in some of 290 00:11:10,610 --> 00:11:08,820 them 291 00:11:12,350 --> 00:11:10,620 so 292 00:11:15,170 --> 00:11:12,360 like I'm still like cautiously 293 00:11:17,930 --> 00:11:15,180 optimistic I guess but 294 00:11:19,310 --> 00:11:17,940 it's it's more important I think to 295 00:11:22,069 --> 00:11:19,320 account for the fact that there are 296 00:11:23,389 --> 00:11:22,079 these unknowns instead of just trying to 297 00:11:25,670 --> 00:11:23,399 make assumptions about what's going on 298 00:11:27,650 --> 00:11:25,680 on the surface of the planet based on 299 00:11:29,630 --> 00:11:27,660 its Transit Spectrum 300 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:29,640 I'll stop here and I'm happy to take any 301 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:30,930 questions 302 00:11:37,530 --> 00:11:46,430 [Applause] 303 00:11:50,569 --> 00:11:48,470 hi uh great talk 304 00:11:52,610 --> 00:11:50,579 um really interesting stuff so I'm 305 00:11:55,910 --> 00:11:52,620 wondering about you have these simulated 306 00:11:59,329 --> 00:11:55,920 spec Transit Spectra I'm 307 00:12:02,210 --> 00:11:59,339 and it looks a little uh pessimistic 308 00:12:04,250 --> 00:12:02,220 based on how close those lines are but 309 00:12:07,550 --> 00:12:04,260 jwst has been delivering some 310 00:12:10,670 --> 00:12:07,560 exquisitely Precision precise Spectra so 311 00:12:12,829 --> 00:12:10,680 I'm wondering if you have plans to model 312 00:12:14,690 --> 00:12:12,839 like the noise properties and stuff and 313 00:12:16,490 --> 00:12:14,700 it like actually simulate jwst 314 00:12:17,810 --> 00:12:16,500 observations of these kind of things to 315 00:12:20,090 --> 00:12:17,820 see if you can actually distinguish 316 00:12:22,430 --> 00:12:20,100 maybe a few things because the trans 317 00:12:24,110 --> 00:12:22,440 inspector are so precise 318 00:12:25,310 --> 00:12:24,120 um because of this incredible instrument 319 00:12:26,930 --> 00:12:25,320 that we have 320 00:12:28,730 --> 00:12:26,940 yeah it would be good to add some 321 00:12:31,310 --> 00:12:28,740 instrumental noise to them it's also 322 00:12:32,810 --> 00:12:31,320 really hard to do that accurately 323 00:12:34,970 --> 00:12:32,820 um there's like 324 00:12:36,949 --> 00:12:34,980 it's it's harder to get precise Spectra 325 00:12:39,110 --> 00:12:36,959 for these smaller stars like most of 326 00:12:41,150 --> 00:12:39,120 what's been coming so far is or sorry 327 00:12:44,389 --> 00:12:41,160 smaller planets bigger bigger planets 328 00:12:46,129 --> 00:12:44,399 are easier to get like good data from 329 00:12:48,470 --> 00:12:46,139 but yeah there's 330 00:12:50,329 --> 00:12:48,480 um there's more Photon noise in the far 331 00:12:51,949 --> 00:12:50,339 or mid infrared compared to the near 332 00:12:53,509 --> 00:12:51,959 infrared so I think it'd be good to 333 00:12:56,030 --> 00:12:53,519 focus on that but 334 00:12:57,769 --> 00:12:56,040 yeah it would be 335 00:12:59,569 --> 00:12:57,779 like it might be possible to tell some 336 00:13:00,710 --> 00:12:59,579 of them apart but it would be a good 337 00:13:05,810 --> 00:13:00,720 thing to look into thanks for the 338 00:13:10,610 --> 00:13:09,050 Taylor plattner at Georgia Tech great 339 00:13:12,170 --> 00:13:10,620 talk also just wanted to say all the 340 00:13:13,310 --> 00:13:12,180 other talks were very interesting this 341 00:13:15,230 --> 00:13:13,320 morning 342 00:13:17,030 --> 00:13:15,240 um and it's super cool I used to do 343 00:13:19,310 --> 00:13:17,040 exoplanet stuff when I was in undergrad 344 00:13:21,290 --> 00:13:19,320 so you're taking me back to I guess my 345 00:13:25,129 --> 00:13:21,300 old days sounds like I'm an old person 346 00:13:27,050 --> 00:13:25,139 um but uh I had a question on you know I 347 00:13:29,329 --> 00:13:27,060 know you're doing simulations but are 348 00:13:34,430 --> 00:13:29,339 you going to eventually like 349 00:13:36,230 --> 00:13:34,440 look at specific planets and if so do 350 00:13:38,690 --> 00:13:36,240 you have like a I don't know there's 351 00:13:40,610 --> 00:13:38,700 kind of like I used to do this like a 352 00:13:42,350 --> 00:13:40,620 development like a prototype um 353 00:13:44,090 --> 00:13:42,360 instrument to put on ground-based 354 00:13:46,850 --> 00:13:44,100 telescope to like vet out interesting 355 00:13:49,370 --> 00:13:46,860 planets so I didn't know if you had like 356 00:13:51,050 --> 00:13:49,380 a I don't know anything to like vet out 357 00:13:54,590 --> 00:13:51,060 interesting planets to you like with 358 00:13:55,970 --> 00:13:54,600 jwst or with any other like telescope 359 00:13:58,610 --> 00:13:55,980 um sorry if that's a terrible question 360 00:14:01,670 --> 00:13:58,620 but just curious no it's an interesting 361 00:14:03,470 --> 00:14:01,680 I'm not an observer I'm mostly just 362 00:14:06,710 --> 00:14:03,480 waiting excitedly for other people to 363 00:14:08,030 --> 00:14:06,720 get data and like I would say the one 364 00:14:11,210 --> 00:14:08,040 I'm most excited about is probably 365 00:14:13,009 --> 00:14:11,220 Travis 20 but excited and apprehensive 366 00:14:14,629 --> 00:14:13,019 at the same time because it'll be really 367 00:14:17,509 --> 00:14:14,639 sad if they don't find an atmosphere on 368 00:14:19,790 --> 00:14:17,519 it but yeah ground ground-based 369 00:14:21,829 --> 00:14:19,800 observations would be like another 370 00:14:23,030 --> 00:14:21,839 good way to to look at these planets 371 00:14:27,110 --> 00:14:23,040 because you can get such a bigger 372 00:14:29,449 --> 00:14:27,120 telescope okay this is with jwst how 373 00:14:30,829 --> 00:14:29,459 often is it like looking at like if you 374 00:14:33,290 --> 00:14:30,839 had some planner that you're really 375 00:14:35,569 --> 00:14:33,300 interested in how often is it like 376 00:14:37,370 --> 00:14:35,579 looking at that planet or would you like 377 00:14:38,990 --> 00:14:37,380 I don't know I know Tess was another one 378 00:14:41,030 --> 00:14:39,000 that people like were really excited 379 00:14:45,769 --> 00:14:41,040 about so I didn't know if that was 380 00:14:48,290 --> 00:14:45,779 easier to like get data like to see that 381 00:14:49,910 --> 00:14:48,300 same Planet more and I know it yeah like 382 00:14:53,689 --> 00:14:49,920 you were saying it's not as great 383 00:14:56,870 --> 00:14:53,699 everybody loves JW wst for a reason yeah 384 00:14:59,629 --> 00:14:56,880 well Tess is a planet finder so it it's 385 00:15:02,449 --> 00:14:59,639 found a bunch of candidates 386 00:15:04,370 --> 00:15:02,459 so like anything that starts with toi I 387 00:15:05,870 --> 00:15:04,380 mean tests object of Interest what 388 00:15:08,210 --> 00:15:05,880 they're called 389 00:15:10,370 --> 00:15:08,220 um and then jwst is kind of needed or 390 00:15:11,750 --> 00:15:10,380 like some large telescope is needed for 391 00:15:13,430 --> 00:15:11,760 follow-up to actually characterize their 392 00:15:15,829 --> 00:15:13,440 atmospheres because it's much easier to 393 00:15:17,750 --> 00:15:15,839 find the planets than to see what's in 394 00:15:19,069 --> 00:15:17,760 their atmospheres especially with such 395 00:15:21,050 --> 00:15:19,079 thin ones 396 00:15:22,970 --> 00:15:21,060 uh did that answer the question 397 00:15:25,970 --> 00:15:22,980 yeah yeah 398 00:15:31,430 --> 00:15:25,980 good talk thank you thank you so much 399 00:15:35,870 --> 00:15:34,370 hi that was also super I'm pretty far 400 00:15:38,389 --> 00:15:35,880 removed from this exoplanet stuff 401 00:15:39,949 --> 00:15:38,399 because this is sick so um I I have a 402 00:15:41,389 --> 00:15:39,959 question that I apologize for my 403 00:15:43,069 --> 00:15:41,399 inability to ask a more specific 404 00:15:46,189 --> 00:15:43,079 question about your work that's just a 405 00:15:48,650 --> 00:15:46,199 lack of my understanding but um I'm 406 00:15:51,590 --> 00:15:48,660 curious that they were talking about how 407 00:15:54,710 --> 00:15:51,600 like this Exquisite Precision with jwst 408 00:15:57,590 --> 00:15:54,720 and and all this stuff and so is how far 409 00:16:00,110 --> 00:15:57,600 off well I'll preface by saying 410 00:16:01,730 --> 00:16:00,120 um the past couple of decades as I'm 411 00:16:03,170 --> 00:16:01,740 sure you're aware our understanding of 412 00:16:05,930 --> 00:16:03,180 planetary habitability has really 413 00:16:07,430 --> 00:16:05,940 shifted with the uh our increased 414 00:16:09,410 --> 00:16:07,440 understanding of these icy moons in our 415 00:16:15,250 --> 00:16:09,420 solar system and things like that 416 00:16:18,290 --> 00:16:15,260 um how far off is our ability to examine 417 00:16:20,629 --> 00:16:18,300 moons of exoplanets given like a small 418 00:16:22,610 --> 00:16:20,639 enough star or something like that or is 419 00:16:24,590 --> 00:16:22,620 that just like so far off from reality 420 00:16:27,170 --> 00:16:24,600 given their technological abilities at 421 00:16:30,230 --> 00:16:27,180 the moment I would say it's that's far 422 00:16:31,550 --> 00:16:30,240 off unforged like yeah the problem is 423 00:16:32,870 --> 00:16:31,560 that that you have to like detect the 424 00:16:35,569 --> 00:16:32,880 planet and then the moon going around 425 00:16:37,490 --> 00:16:35,579 the planet and it's they're just really 426 00:16:38,629 --> 00:16:37,500 hard to find and they'll be even harder 427 00:16:40,430 --> 00:16:38,639 to observe 428 00:16:42,769 --> 00:16:40,440 which is unfortunate because I bet EXO 429 00:16:44,509 --> 00:16:42,779 moons are really cool 430 00:16:45,829 --> 00:16:44,519 and that would also deal with the tidal 431 00:16:50,210 --> 00:16:45,839 locking problem 432 00:16:52,790 --> 00:16:50,220 like like if an exumun was orbiting 433 00:16:55,069 --> 00:16:52,800 it's tidally locked Planet the moon will 434 00:16:56,389 --> 00:16:55,079 not be totally locked to the star so it 435 00:16:58,850 --> 00:16:56,399 could have day night cycles but they're 436 00:17:00,710 --> 00:16:58,860 just really hard to observe 437 00:17:02,509 --> 00:17:00,720 yeah thanks for that that would be 438 00:17:04,069 --> 00:17:02,519 really cool 439 00:17:09,589 --> 00:17:04,079 thank you for the talk everyone well 440 00:17:12,270 --> 00:17:10,010 [Music]